The ways that God works are so amazing. Who would have guessed that a man raised in Eastern Asia would come to the US to complete his schooling, return to Asia, and then come back to the US.
Curtis Sergeant's life has been that kind of journey. The son of missionaries, he was raised in Asia, was educated in the US, and returned to Asia. While there, he began focusing on church planting multiplication and discipleship models.
He discovered that the same models that worked in eastern Asia also worked in India, among Muslims, in Europe, and in the US.
Now he's based in Alabama, training believers to make disciples and to plant churches. He's a wealth of information and shares some wonderful perspective with us.
We talked about
- Key Scripture ([2:55])
- A Challenge ([4:15])
- Spiritual Warfare ([13:19])
- A Revelation ([15:30])
- Current Ministry ([22:36])
- Significance in the Marketplace ([24:56])
- Level Up ([26:45])
- Speed Round ([31:01])
- Cultural Shifts ([34:40])
- First Steps ([35:41])
- New Place ([36:50])
- Motivation ([38:15])
- Parting Advice ([39:50])
Life in Ministry
Over the years, Curtis and his family have served in a variety of places, ranging from undeveloped areas to mega-cities. He and his wife are now in rural Alabama.
Early in their time in eastern Asia, Curtis and his family came under a strong spiritual attack. They experienced everything from their son falling down and getting hurt to a clearly supernatural run-in with a German Shepherd.
This culminated in what should have been an inoperable condition with Curtis's pregnant wife. But God had different plans. He used that difficult situation to accomplish something Curtis hadn't been able to do up to that point.
God used those difficulties for my growth and benefit as well as to help turn that people-group to the Lord.
I asked Curtis why he thinks we don't often see overt spiritual warfare in the US. His answer was two-fold.
- First, he suggested that our world-view tends to exclude and misattribute spiritual things to other causes.
- Second, he said that overt spiritual attacks tend to work counter to the way the enemy is currently moving in developed regions like North America and Europe.
In a conversation where Curtis complemented a lady by asking her to brag on her age, he realized that he was powerless to accomplish what God had for him unless he was able to change how he was working. Even if he was able to plant a large number of churches, that would barely be a drop in the bucket towards reaching that people-group.
Even though Curtis doesn't really feel called to the US, he came here to train the missionaries who are sent out to effectively make disciples and plant churches. Interestingly, some of the people he's trained have remained in the US and have been effective in planting churches here.
Significance in the Marketplace
If you motive and your values are related to the commandment and the great commission, then God can and will use you to advance His Kingdom wherever you are.
The biggest things we can do is increase our capacities for prayer and to give sacrificially.
- Consider the framework of a prayer wheel to increase capacity for prayer (prayer wheel bookmark, prayer wheel poster, prayer wheel guide)
- Consider decreasing spending to increase investing in the Kingdom
Personal Success Habit
- Dual Accountability
- The Insanity of God: A True Story of Faith Resurrected
- The Insanity of Obedience: Walking with Jesus in Tough Places
Shifts in Society
As we meet people who are from different cultures, we can find out where they are on their spiritual journeys and tell the stories of God in our lives, tuning the stories in ways that relate to our neighbors.
If they're open to it, have them go through a series of Bible discussions. Often, if they're open to discussing the Bible in this manner, they will come to the Lord.
Curtis would focus on training any locals or expat believers to be as fruitful as possible and help them develop a 3-month plan that would form the basis for some ongoing coaching.
One Question I Should Have Asked
“What is your overall motivation or framework of thought?”
If you've not been trained to be a disciple who multiples, it's something every believer needs to know.
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